That Relevant Magazine Article on Humor: What I Said and What I Didn’t Say

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Yesterday, Relevant Magazine ran an article I wrote called “Why Christians Aren’t Funny: On Evangelicalism’s Long Struggle with Humor.”  Most of the   comments were thoughtful, but there were a few that seemed to miss the mark. I also received several emails from comedians, authors, cartoonists, greeting card writers and other humorists who happen to be Christians. Most were civil, a few were civil and agitated, and a few others were simply agitated. So let’s play a quick round of “What I Said and What I Didn’t Say” to clear the air.

What I didn’t say: “Christians Aren’t Funny”

The point of the article wasn’t that all Christians are incapable of being humorous. Although I did have a comedian send me an angry (and, ironically, humorless) email defending his track record as a genuinely funny person. Look, don’t get me wrong, I’m personally surrounded by dozens of Christ-followers who can make me belly laugh. Of course, Christians have the ability to have a sense of humor.

The editor did change the title of the piece from “Why Evangelicals Struggle to Bring the Funny” to “Why Christians aren’t Funny”, so I guess there’s some room for confusion if you stopped reading at the headline. One point for the editor for grabbing your attention though.

What I did say:

The essay was my attempt to find reasons for why the evangelical subculture can produce so much Amish romance, so much devotional readings, so many I-Went-To-Heaven-On-My-Lunch-Break-Came-Back-and-Landed-In-A-Ghost-Writer’s-Lap ”memoirs” and the like, but the subculture isn’t as prolific when it comes to producing comedians. In the article I offered a few reasons as to why the culture doesn’t reward comics. It’s this lack of payoff that keeps us from producing much comedy. So actually my argument is that evangelicalism probably contains a good number of budding comics, satirists, and humorists that it will continue ignoring.

What I didn’t say: “Jonathan Acuff and Jeff Foxworthy aren’t funny.”

Look, I’m not the guy with the master list of who is funny and who isn’t. I didn’t mention every brilliant comic and humorist who also happens to be a Christ follower.

Acuff’s writing, on occasion, has had me laughing so hard that I’ve blown snot-bubbles through my nose.

Who doesn’t like Jeff Foxworthy?

I am personally unqualified to be judge and juror as to who is funny and who is not. It requires a certain type of arrogance to pretend to be that guy and my certain kind of arrogance covers other topics.

What I said: “The Blue Like Jazz Movie and Snarky Conversations About God were both funny.”

It’s a subjective call and not an exhaustive list. Those were the first two titles that came to mind.  Shoot me. It’s called “word count” and the editor cares about that.

What I didn’t Say: “There should be something called Christian Comedy.”

I’m a pastor. I’ve got the subculture coming out of my pores alright. I’ll pass. If it works for you, I promise not to judge.

What I did Say: “There don’t seem to be many Evangelicals contributing to the comedy genre.”

That seems fair, right?

Let’s do this with the comments. If you want to discuss the actual content of the Relevant article, bop on over and do that in the actual column. However, if you want to share your list of Evangelicals that you think happen to be genuinely funny artists, share their names in the comments section. If you are a comic, author, or cartoonist, etc. (please, no mimes), share links to your websites or videos in the comments section here. Perhaps you’ll connect with other humorists or even new fans. 

And to those who were kind enough to send me their comedy e-books and video links. I’m sorry, but my reading list is full. I do admire your ability to sell your work with confidence though. Seriously, that takes courage.

  • http://middletree.blogspot.com James Williams

    I read your piece yesterday, but didn’t comment, because, while I agreed with your general premise, I disagreed with some of the quotes you had in there from other people. People I like and respect, like Bryan Allain and Chad Gibbs.

    For the record, (if Bryan’s reading this): I don’t think something has to be edgy to be funny. The desire to push the envelope often (certainly not always) leads to comedians trying to outshock each other, and next thing you know, we have people who think Stern and Silverman are funny, mainly because they say things that shock you.

    Bryan said “if it’s right down the middle, it’s not going to make someone laugh” I disagree. I can watch right-down-the-middle stuff from I Love Lucy to Bryan Regan, and decades of things in between, and laugh my head off.

    • Larry_Shallenberger

      You should copy and post this at Relevant. I think I get what Bryan was saying and I don’t think he mean that humor has to be on the edge of moral decency. But he can speak for himself.

      • http://middletree.blogspot.com James Williams

        I don’t know any other way to interpret “if it’s right down the middle, it’s not going to make someone laugh.” But I will go comment on the article. I hesitate because I like those two guys, to the extent I have read their stuff. Plus, they are FB friends of mine. :)

        • Chris Gursche

          @James, not speaking for Bryan, but I believe the concept is “if you can see it coming, it won’t be funny.”

          Comedy requires surprise. Lucy is funny because she reacts in unexpected ways. And unless you find some new nuances you missed the first time, it won’t be as funny the second time around. Watch it 6 times in a row, and you won’t be laughing anymore. Smiling, amused, chuckling, perhaps.

          Therefore, any discussion of a familiar topic, in order to be funny, requires an element you haven’t heard before. A new level, an edge if you will. Keep it in the middle, and it may be witty, or likeable, or pleasant, but no one is going to involuntarily lose their bladder control.

          • http://middletree.blogspot.com James Williams

            Bryan didn’t contrast “predictable” with “unpredictable”. He compared “edgy” with “down the middle”. I bring this up because I recall when I got old enough to first hear vulgarity without getting in trouble (age 18-ish), I heard about how great Richard Pryor was because he was edgy. He talked about sex in graphic detail, and was lauded for it. Thing is: it wasn’t funny.
            A few years later, Stern gets famous. I am with a friend who cracks up when he hears Stern mention masturbation on the radio. I ask why he’s laughing so hard, and my friend acknowledged the joke itself wasn’t funny, but the shock value of hearing the phrase “jack off” is why he laughed.
            Along the way, i saw very funny folks get derided because they don’t push the envelope, as if that’s all that makes a person funny. And that’s what I seemed to hear echoed in the comments from Bryan and Chad.

          • Larry_Shallenberger

            James, you should familiarize yourself with the bodies of their work. You’ll be unable to stick to your conclusions.

          • http://middletree.blogspot.com James Williams

            Oh, I am familiar. That’s why I was saddened to read those quotes.

          • Larry_Shallenberger

            Or you could give the benefit of doubt and assume that more clarification is needed.

          • Larry_Shallenberger

            I did take Bryan’s remarks to mean that you have to go to extremes or to make a caricature be funny. If you read his humor it’s obvious he’s not grossly crude.

      • http://middletree.blogspot.com James Williams

        tried to post at Relevant, and the system wouldn’t let me register my name or log in.

        • Larry_Shallenberger

          Your reputation proceeded you. ;)

          • http://middletree.blogspot.com James Williams

            reputation?

    • http://twitter.com/bryanallain Bryan Allain

      Hey James, thanks for commenting! I do think you misinterpreted my quote though, specifically your definition of the word ‘edgy’. Here was what I said:

      “Whether that is the edge of decency, the edge of expectations or the edge of sanity; if it’s right down the middle, it’s not going to make someone laugh.”

      In my opinion, there is nothing “right down the middle” about I Love Lucy or Brian Regan. In respect to decency? Sure. But Regan is nearly insane (in a good way)! The dude has a crazy unique blend of physical comedy and absurdism that he applies to everyday situations to make them hilarious. The first time anyone catches Regan I can guarantee he traverses the borders of their expectations.

      I think you can make a similar case for Lucy. When it ran in the 50s it was absolutely on the edge of expectations. Not sure people had seen anything like it. I believe it was one of the first shows to use a live audience along with the multi camera format. Even casting Desi (a Cuban) as Lucy’s wife was considered a risk (something CBS wouldn’t agree to at first). Personally, I’d argue that’s it not as funny as it used to be (though still funny) because culture has shifted and it’s not so much on the edge of expectations anymore, but that’s a subjective statement we can agree to disagree on.

      Anyway, I agree that something does not need to be on the edge of decency or morality to be funny. I like crude humor on occasion, but I generally like the clean stuff better myself.

      But in my opinion (and it’s just an opinion) it has to be on the edge of SOMETHING to be funny. Hope that clarifies what I was trying to say.

      • Larry_Shallenberger
      • http://middletree.blogspot.com James Williams

        Thanks, Bryan: that does clear things up. I think I saw your mention of the edge of decency, and then was immediately reminded of the things i mentioned in that other comment, about how comedians who pushed the decency envelope were applauded for doing do.
        By the way, I mentioned Lucy and Regan as more of a “from A to Z” -type example. I wasn’t focusing on them specifically. In between them are some funny people who managed to be funny without pushing the decency envelope. I could have just as easily mentioned Bill Cosby or Steve Martin or Jerry Seinfeld or many others. My point was that I felt your comment was falling in line with what I hear from so many: that humor must be designed to offend stuffy, straight-laced people in order to be really funny.
        While I stand by the fact that the combination of my context and your words justified my thinking you meant that, I am glad to see I was wrong. I apologize for not asking you directly before commenting. Thanks for the grace you’ve shown to me here.

        • http://twitter.com/bryanallain Bryan Allain

          no need to apologize! always good to hear multiple perspectives on this stuff.

        • Larry_Shallenberger

          Group hug?

          • http://middletree.blogspot.com James Williams

            Again, I wasn’t dissing Bryan. I like the guy. I just disagreed with what I thought he said and offered a different perspective. I also disagree with you from time to time, Larry ;)

          • Larry_Shallenberger

            And that’s too darn bad, James.

  • http://randomlychad.com Chad Jones

    Larry, I loved your article. Maybe a follow-up piece is in order about how, you know, God is actually funny? I mean does the Emmaus walk not crack you up. I mean here’s the risen Lord hot-footing it back from beyond to explain the Scriptures to two yahoos.

    And there’s God drop the sarcasm bomb on Job: “Where were you since you are so old?”

  • Chris Gursche

    What do you mean, Christians sent you sharply worded responses on an article about humour?

    If only irony was an essential nutrient…

  • Shoobacca

    Is there anything less funny than dissecting what makes something funny? Sorry for the grief you took, Larry. Chalk another one up for the Body of Christ.

    • Larry_Shallenberger

      It was minor grief, really. I made this post to only have to respond once instead of replying to multiple emails. And I did get a few pleasant emails also.

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  • http://www.djchuang.com/ djchuang

    The fact that there’s this bunch of reaction shows how evangelicals (generically and generally speaking) do struggle with its sense of humor, taking itself and your article all too seriously.

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